tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20717535.post2451897968494279752..comments2023-11-02T19:46:44.577+11:00Comments on Fumbling Towards Geekdom: The good, the bad, and the unacceptably prettyStyleyGeekhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10287051608503966129noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20717535.post-51259256739746319352007-10-28T09:26:00.000+11:002007-10-28T09:26:00.000+11:00Adding nothing new here, but that is fucking hideo...Adding nothing new here, but that is fucking hideous. I hope those unhelpful comments inspired some critical responses from other audience members, whether they were actually voiced during the panel or not.Dorabellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18402499314203906780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20717535.post-78591818857089938652007-10-27T11:41:00.000+10:002007-10-27T11:41:00.000+10:00Recently, my advisor told me that being good looki...Recently, my advisor told me that being good looking could be a deterrent to being taken seriously - that being *too* good looking could actually harm one's credibility.<BR/><BR/>Can you imagine? The worst part (for me) was that she said it as though it was not a concern in her/our department - I guess we're homely enough to be credible.<BR/><BR/>While she was talking, I was thinking, "Why is this being discussed?" I mean, really.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20717535.post-67997139865335904912007-10-27T05:00:00.000+10:002007-10-27T05:00:00.000+10:00Are all attempts at figuring out how to deal with ...Are all attempts at figuring out how to deal with the men that "don't hear women, period" futile? And must the women who are obviously going more then half way to the solution be told over and over that THEY are the problem?ScienceGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00071055167798044468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20717535.post-52115141704823684812007-10-26T12:30:00.000+10:002007-10-26T12:30:00.000+10:00Sometimes, I just get so frustrated at the BS. I ...Sometimes, I just get so frustrated at the BS. I need bourbon. Now.Bardiachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11846065504793800266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20717535.post-80764589563260542922007-10-26T11:19:00.000+10:002007-10-26T11:19:00.000+10:00I wish I were surprised, but unfortunately I was a...I wish I were surprised, but unfortunately I was at a talk at MIT this past spring by Ben Barres and Nancy Hopkins, and they were equally disappointing. After patting themselves and other senior faculty on the back for the great things they had done, their advice for all the female grad students raising issues in the audience was "If you don't like your lab, get out. You don't have to put up with that crap any more." Or "Find a mentor." Or "File a grievance." Yes, because we've all found that leaving labs (which is far more complicated than Barres or Hopkins made it out to be) or working within the system has DONE US WOMEN SO MUCH GOOD. Argh.Katehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16995641658376827290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20717535.post-52845393943060609932007-10-26T04:21:00.000+10:002007-10-26T04:21:00.000+10:00As far as the actual original problem goes, what I...As far as the actual original problem goes, what I find really depressing is that there are some studies that suggest that women are *more* likely to be listened to when they do the traditional feminine throat-clearing of "well, you know, I don't know but what I kinda think is . . ." because it takes so long for men to tune in and listen that there's no point in starting with the important stuff. I expect it does depend on audience. My native style is more "masculine" and I've found there are certain men who hear it, and others who hear "feminine" women, and others who don't hear women, period. If I just want to get something done, I let it go if some male re-states my point later and people hear it; if I want credit, though, I'm not shy about saying "I said that 10 minutes ago!" Sorry to go on . . . is there anything helpful in here?Marcelle Prousthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05987555499861902190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20717535.post-73612322764709871882007-10-25T12:56:00.000+10:002007-10-25T12:56:00.000+10:00Sadly, they may be right about why she's getting i...Sadly, they may be right about why she's getting ignored -- but their answers were not at all helpful.Inside the Philosophy Factoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12255753259090709877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20717535.post-67881241265026295432007-10-25T12:23:00.000+10:002007-10-25T12:23:00.000+10:00Honestly. Someone should tell those women that the...Honestly. Someone should tell those women that they're not serving as very good role models. At. All.Ianquihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03268223727887685830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20717535.post-7858731203891471222007-10-25T11:45:00.000+10:002007-10-25T11:45:00.000+10:00That is pretty appalling. Plus your friend, once a...That is pretty appalling. Plus your friend, once again, is not taken seriously! How frustrating. What is up with that?Alice Academichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01887027523650747886noreply@blogger.com